drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:13:32 AM
LOL, integrity is key NHLiveunfree, that's why I always post items based in truth, not lies and deception.
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remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 5:58:06 AM
Not good news...
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KAR120CSII

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 11:06:13 PM
You don't say?
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slowpoke

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 10:56:14 PM
Of course, we take enormous risks with our health and lives if we frack. Why poison our precious earth?
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goldrose1

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 10:16:42 PM
How can any engineer or consultant know what happens down in the earth after we stuff waste down a hole?
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teafortwo

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 8:31:20 PM
Very informative article Cake. Thanks for sharing.
FROM THE ARTICLE:
Federal rules divide wells into six classes based on the material they hold and the industry that produced it. Class 1 wells handle the most hazardous materials, including fertilizers, acids and deadly compounds such as asbestos, PCBs and cyanide. The energy industry has its own category, Class 2, which includes disposal wells and wells in which fluids are injected to force out trapped oil and gas. The most common wells, called Class 5, are a sort of catch-all for everything left over from the other categories, including storm-water runoff from gas stations.
The EPA requires that Class 1 and 2 injection wells be drilled the deepest to assure that the most toxic waste is pushed far below drinking water aquifers. Both types of wells are supposed to be walled with multiple layers of steel tubing and cement and regularly monitored for cracks.
The hard data that does exist comes from well inspections conducted by federal and state regulators, who can issue citations to operators for injecting illegally, for not maintaining wells, or for operating wells at unsafe pressures. This information is the EPA's primary means of tracking the system's health on a national scale.
Yet, in response to questions from ProPublica, the EPA acknowledged it has done very little with the data it collects. The agency could not provide ProPublica with a tally of how frequently wells fail or of how often disposal regulations are violated. It has not counted the number of cases of waste migration or contamination in more than 20 years. The agency often accepts reports from state injection regulators that are partly blank, contain conflicting figures or are missing key details, ProPublica found.
In 2007, the EPA launched a national data system to centralize reports on injection wells. As of September 2011 — the last time the EPA issued a public update — less than half of the state and local regulatory agencies overseeing injection were contributing to the database. It contained complete information from only a handful of states, accounting for a small fraction of the deep wells in the country.
The EPA did not respond to questions seeking more detail about how it handles its data, or about how the agency judges whether its oversight is working.
In a 2008 interview with ProPublica, one EPA scientist acknowledged shortcomings in the way the agency oversees the injection program.
"It's assumed that the monitoring rules and requirements are in place and are protective — that's assumed," said Gregory Oberley, an EPA groundwater specialist who studies injection and water issues in the Rocky Mountain region. "You're not going to know what's going on until someone's well is contaminated and they are complaining about it." *** ProPublica's analysis of case histories and EPA data from October 2007 to October 2010 showed that when an injection well fails, it is most often because of holes or cracks in the well structure itself.
Operators are required to do so-called "mechanical integrity" tests at regular intervals, yearly for Class 1 wells and at least once every five years for Class 2 wells. In 2010, the tests led to more than 7,500 violations nationally, with more than 2,300 wells failing. In Texas, one violation was issued for every three Class 2 wells examined in 2010.
Such breakdowns can have serious consequences. Damage to the cement or steel casing can allow fluids to seep into the earth, where they could migrate into water supplies.
Regulators say redundant layers of protection usually prevent waste from getting that far, but EPA data shows that in the three years analyzed by ProPublica, more than 7,500 well test failures involved what federal water protection regulations describe as "fluid migration" and "significant leaks."
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LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 7:59:48 PM
Thanks to everyone for their comments!
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 7:33:55 PM
What would the soda pop doc know about integrity? This news article actually includes statements by REAL degreed geologists rather than shill specialists for Big Oil & Gas.
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 6:57:35 PM
"The Huffington Post should have posted a link to the ProPublica article" ================== True but with absolutely zero journalistic integrity what else would one expect from the Chuffington Imposters???
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jb107

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 6:16:17 PM
Don't permit things like this until they have been proved safe.
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 5:12:58 PM
Bummer...
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jethro5000

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 4:50:10 PM
I saw this on Dallas...
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ssect8

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 3:58:52 PM
Just more BS.
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katmandue

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 3:42:48 PM
Don't tell the teapartiers/GOBPers they have there own nonfacts to believe.
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wulf2000

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:53:40 PM
Interesting read.
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Blue48

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:51:21 PM
DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW!
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1178richmond

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:26:59 PM
ok
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Dremwolf

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:24:50 PM
Just like scientists thought it was safe to dump toxic waste into pits. Now those pits are leaking...
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Buck_on_Bass

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Tennessee
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:23:40 PM
The Huffington Post should have posted a link to the ProPublica article.
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Bubba44612

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:21:58 PM
Really they were wrong!
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RocketGeek

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:21:46 PM
And saliva causes cancer.
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FreeeBee

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:21:35 PM
U.S. industries have injected more than 30 trillion gallons of toxic liquid deep into the earth.....
where is EPA and what are they doing about it? take it to the mars or mercury.. and leave the earth alone.. clean and safe..
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Wanda127

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Florida
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:09:44 PM
I agree isem & Bald1usa
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humblepie

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:08:32 PM
i have to wonder if rosie odonnel wrote this piece
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Bald1usa

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:07:45 PM
Consider the source! Want to see something interesting? Check out Rep. John Fleming Energy Sub-committee on Fracking.
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isem

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:04:40 PM
Do not believe everything you read, especially if it is in the left-wing Huffington Post.
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Alfied

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:57:23 PM
But we need oil!
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daveinmarietta

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:55:23 PM
Terrifying article.
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DickAAA

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:52:12 PM
Profit will defeat the environment every time. Big oil, chemicals and mining have devastated many areas.
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JMRW80

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:51:19 PM
The Earth is a closed system, of course it's not safe to just bury toxic waste. What part of toxic is confusing? Maybe it's the concept of closed system? Would anyone like me to explain it?
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ProRogue

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Vancouver
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:49:32 PM
Believe it.
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egd

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:48:50 PM
good luck, what is clean water worth to you
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ericbcire

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:48:14 PM
Don't believe everything you read.
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Road-Runner

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:45:00 PM
No surprise. Sooner or later both industry and government are going to have to learn that the only sure method of disposing of toxic wastes is to neutralize the stuff chemically or biologically, before recycling or disposing of it.
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Retowered

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:44:21 PM
Only time will tell & it don't sound good.
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padlocks2

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:42:45 PM
Ok
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BlueOnyx

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:41:43 PM
We'd better ramp up NASA and new space exploration vehicles, cause we'll need a back-up planet once we've totally destroyed this one. I just hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime...
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pickledude72

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California
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:38:47 PM
If there is no crisis to up the gas prices, the oil company and the EPA will dream up one.
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Cachase1

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:37:14 PM
We are still seeing no problems here. This has been practiced for decades.
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EmperorsFinest

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:36:45 PM
No fracking....
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BWALL2700

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:36:14 PM
Water = life. Destroy water= destroy life.
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humblepie

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:35:19 PM
may not ????????????? such scientific jargon.........
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Teddy95

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:34:44 PM
Hmmm...
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bart_reed

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:34:16 PM
Yes, there is a threat.
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teafortwo

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:27:49 PM
The need to protect ourselves from these BIG GREED corporations is not a new problem.
The BIG GREED spend MILLION$ on disinformation with lobbyists, shills and spin doctors.
Presently BIG TOBACCO is trying to get legislation passed to exempt cigars from FDA oversight. Since BIG TOBACCO is no longer allowed to sell cigarettes to children?
They seem to think it is only 'fair' they be allowed to sell cigars to children .... HELLO?
In much the same way;
BIG OIL & GAS think fracking is much too profitable to worry about a little thing like
poisoning people :0\
These BIG GREED buzzards only stop when they are forced to stop. Follow the money.
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kzza100

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:19:10 PM
ok
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Gramps001

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:13:49 PM
The Post is huffing and puffing once again.
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amteb

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:13:31 PM
Always something coming back to haunt us
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salog

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Columbia
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:08:56 PM
they did it to save money; so of course corners were cut
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ss70

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:07:12 PM
force the earth it will force it back
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